Salvia Divinorum Scotland - Experience - Selfish Indulgence?

<body stylesrc="../../../technical/backgroundformywords.htm" background="../../../technical/leafwords.jpg" bgcolor="#C0C0C0" text="#003300" link="#0000FF" vlink="#000080" alink="#800080"> <p align="center"><font size="5" color="#008000">Salvia Divinorum Scotland ~ Experience ~ Selfish Indulgence?</font></p> <hr> <p><strong><font size="4">Not In My Experience</font></strong></p> <blockquote> <p>"Well, first my ‘day-glo/bubble writing’ after-comment was firmly ironic..." </p> <p> - Well, this could run and run. It’s probably best simply to refer back to what’s been said <a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/yourenotkidding/index.html#morepsychedelic" target="_blank">[(1)<...]</a> and <a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/yourenotkidding/amialienated.html#morepsychedelic" target="_blank">[(2)<...]</a>. Then readers can find their own degree of irony.</p> <b><i> <p>My</i></b> point (in an area where there is common misunderstanding) was to simply give a counter interpretation, that is, to <i>crucially define</i> what’s <i>really</i> implied by the term ‘psychedelic’ <a href="../../../quotes/glossary/psychedelic.html" target="_blank">[<...]</a> </p> <p> You said, "The ‘psychedelicising’ of society will <b><i>not</i></b> happen in spite of existing institutions" [my italics].  I said "...becoming ‘more psychedelic’ <b><i>will</i></b> happen in spite of the existing institutions ". On the following page I cross-refer back to these points then address your clarifications. <a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/yourenotkidding/oncarrotsandpotatoes.html">…From here</a> I hope it’s clearer that I have a very different emphasis and I am not really saying <i>exactly</i> what you said and just turning the words around without changing your content – or taking your point.</p> <p>Like I say, I feel that I have given a definition of what I mean by the term psychedelic, and it’s one that is not overly preoccupied with or dependent on existing institutions, which I think yours is. You are looking to make the argument that we need to re-build our institutions urgently. I’m more concerned with our tendency to do anything other than face the psychedelic experience <a href="../../../quotes/mckenna/prejudice_flight.html" target="_blank">[...]</a></p> <p>You can insist all you like that I am alienated from our existing institutions. You can insist all you like that I’m avoiding my responsibility in "making them in the first place". I’ve spent enough time making my counterpoints <a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/yourenotkidding/amialienated.html" target="_blank">[<...]</a> and it’s not a point that particularly interests me.</p> <p>Why? – Because I’m principally interested in experience. As a plant person experience is the primary data of importance. "All rationalization and intellectualization and analysis is secondary <a href="../../../quotes/mckenna/cultureisnotyourfriend_secondary.html" target="_blank">[...]</a>"</p> <p>So you say I’m alienated and I say I’m not. But my experience is the touchstone that informs me that I am not alienated in any sense that I deem to be significant, and, in the light of <b><i>that</i></b><i>,</i> your insistence seems more like speculation, - perhaps (even) projection <a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/onlyoneparty.html#fucked_who_over" target="_blank">[...]</a> but then that would be my speculation.</p> <p>Even more speculative is the comment "I don’t care how skilled an individual gets at consuming power plants and traversing hyperspace – IF the moment they get back, they mindlessly eat a steak, drive a 3 litre car to the local shops, and buy some sweatshop produced cheap clothes <a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/yourenotkidding/sheerbloodyindulgence.html#dontcare" target="_blank">[<...]</a>". This is speculative because it’s not based your own experience of what <a name="true"></a> (<a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/yourenotkidding/true.html">true...</a>) power-plants do, nor is it based on any empirical observation of the behaviour of other (true…) plant-people.</p> <p>In fact, your point seems (ahem) to <i>forget</i> the real miracle of the true plant allies. The thing that nobody will really understand without <b><i>engaging</i></b> with the experience, the thing that it is difficult to remember without <b><i>re-</i></b>engaging with the experience, is that it is about the<b><i> expansion</i></b> of consciousness. It truly is. And connected with this is everything that that implies <a href="../../../quotes/mckenna/dominatorinheritance.html" target="_blank">[...]</a></p> <p>So returning from a mind-expanding experience in order, the <i> moment</i> one gets back, to continue with mind<i>less</i> behaviour is a contradiction in terms. I’ll concede that over<b><i> time</i></b>, there may be a tendency to forget, but that’s only what I’ve been saying all along.</p> </blockquote> <hr> <table border="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td width="10%"> <p align="left"><a href="../../../experience/selfishindulgence/index.html#notkidding"><Back</a></td> <td width="14%"> <p align="center"><a href="../../../experience.html">Experience</a></td> <td width="15%"> <p align="center"><a href="../../../home.html">Main Menu</a></td> <td width="15%"> <p align="center"><a href="../../../salvia.html">Salvia Menu</a></td> <td width="26%"> <p align="center"><a href="../../../salvia/effects.html">Salvia Effects</a> / <a href="../../../salvia/effects/feedback/index.html">Feedback</a></td> <td width="13%"> <p align="center"><a href="../../../menu2.html">Menu 2</a></td> <td width="10%"> <p align="right"><a href="../../../contact.html" title="contact details and links to information on salvia prices and availability">Contact</a></td> </tr> </table> <p> </p> <p> </p>